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ghost_walker
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thought you might use your box seeing as it's a known quantity.
ylee is street driven so it prob sees more low down grunt pulling away from lights than yours would see on the track.
he has before broke it doing under 10mph pulling out of a car park.
he wasn't happy it was about 80 quids worth or royal purple gear oil all over the car park
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| chip wrote: |
he's on entirely standard but brand new parts (mine will just be a high mileage old engine)
Impressive stuff! |
The only parts that where brand new in that engine where piston rings, crank bearing an chain/tensioner.
Rest of the parts this manner 
-block from back yard, rust is a nice color. Hand honed and topped off with sand paper
-rods and crank from a engine in which pistons where sized
-pistons from engine where rods where busted
Total cost for this "race" bottom 660Eur
On my daily driver, saab viggen I drove
100k km with 500-600bhp engine output
Bottom stock besides JE pistons since engine originally B235 in which the pistons do not hold for higher bhp. Thus being a daily driver it saw plenty on spanking including several thousand test runs (3rd or 4th gear sweep) and a dozen standing mile events.
For 500bhp level there is no problem to drive the standard parts, but the higher you go the smaller the room is for error with tuning.
The 666motor was in use for 1.5years and saw around 50k km. Last summer only was driven in 4 standing mile events with several runs in each + several hundred test runs on road (test runs in 4th 100-250km/h due to lack of traction in 3rd). Own guess is that there arent too many other saabs around which see the same amount of spanking my cars have seen and will see in the future.  |
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| Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 2:17 am Post subject: |
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Hello Vigge and welcome to the site.
Thats inspiring stuff to hear it wasnt even all new parts, i'd been misinforme then.
They certainly seem like very impressive engines, im looking forward to playing with one soon 
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| Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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WELCOME vigge!!
i cannot believe what that engine is capable of, its simply amazing!
are there other engines with similar history as yours that you know of?
thanks, congratulations 
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vigge
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| Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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| lennoxlewis wrote: | WELCOME vigge!!
i cannot believe what that engine is capable of, its simply amazing!
are there other engines with similar history as yours that you know of?
thanks, congratulations |
Thank for the welcome.
Typical tuning story with people who tune saabs is to pile on with the mods to the engine the car has, so usually high milega stuff. Due to this there arent too many people who beging their "build" in actul engine building. These type of engine usually can take the spaking to 400-500bhp level, but of course if the base engine has 300k km on it, some weak can pop up. Usually in B2x4 engines its the headgasket (organic) which lets go or bottom bearing fail. Bering failure through worn out bearing, not that they could not hold for the Tq/bhp. Personally I know around dozon saabs in built in this manner belongin to friends and they hold.
The 500bhp level seems to be a limit for many in tuning the engine and those who contenue above that level usually re-build the base engine at this point, normally with at least forged pistons and often with forged rods. Personally I dont know where the history grounds that its a must to change those parts, but as we know the internet is filled with myth and beliefs regarding many issues that something is a must, thus in real life it may not be so.
Locally there is my car and a 9k (long block 2.3) which where ran through last season with 600+ bhp fully on standard bottoms and am not aware of others who have pushed the stock parts that far. Both of these cars will be with forged internals for this season with bhp aim around 750hbp. |
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chip
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| Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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| vigge wrote: |
Typical tuning story with people who tune saabs is to pile on with the mods to the engine the car has, so usually high milega stuff. Due to this there arent too many people who beging their "build" in actul engine building. These type of engine usually can take the spaking to 400-500bhp level, but of course if the base engine has 300k km on it, some weak can pop up. Usually in B2x4 engines its the headgasket (organic) which lets go or bottom bearing fail. Bering failure through worn out bearing, not that they could not hold for the Tq/bhp. Personally I know around dozon saabs in built in this manner belongin to friends and they hold. |
Yes we see this in the vauxhall world too, people have failures at 300bhp due to poor maintaince not due to power.
| Quote: | | The 500bhp level seems to be a limit for many in tuning the engine and those who contenue above that level usually re-build the base engine at this point, normally with at least forged pistons and often with forged rods. Personally I dont know where the history grounds that its a must to change those parts, but as we know the internet is filled with myth and beliefs regarding many issues that something is a must, thus in real life it may not be so. |
My specific interest in the saab engine is avoiding all the expensive internal bits I had last time, so unless something REALLY needs replacing, I wont be doing so.
I am quite happy if I have to change the engine after a few hundred track miles at a time, that will be no major inconvenience.
My interest is in it being cheap to replace, which my arrow rods etc in the vauxhall engine werent!
| Quote: | | Locally there is my car and a 9k (long block 2.3) which where ran through last season with 600+ bhp fully on standard bottoms and am not aware of others who have pushed the stock parts that far. Both of these cars will be with forged internals for this season with bhp aim around 750hbp. |
Wow, big power that! certainly more than i ever need in mine on trackdays!
What gearbox are you going to be using?
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vigge
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| Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 6:26 am Post subject: |
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| chip wrote: | | vigge wrote: |
Locally there is my car and a 9k (long block 2.3) which where ran through last season with 600+ bhp fully on standard bottoms and am not aware of others who have pushed the stock parts that far. Both of these cars will be with forged internals for this season with bhp aim around 750hbp. |
Wow, big power that! certainly more than i ever need in mine on trackdays!
What gearbox are you going to be using? |
Stock box is the choice 
Have newer had a problem with them with the choose tq level ~650Nm |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:33 am Post subject: |
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Fair enough, if I have a problem with my vauxhall box I will consider a move over to a saab one then, although TBH mine has already proved it wont shit itself instantly at this power level, ive already got the linkage sorted (has to be cable in my car I tried rod setups previously and no matter how I did the linkage it end up with too much play due to its length and complexity) and ive got a quaiffe already for it, and most of all i can buy them cheaply, lol
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chip
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| Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the tip, spotted that one when I was looking on the bay recently too, although Ive got one arriving this week hopefully so shouldnt need it now.
Got my one for 150 plus 55 postage, and that includes the gearbox too apparently (i dont want the box for the nova but might be useful on the van when it goes v6 or something like that)
Fingers crossed its ok!
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| Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 8:48 am Post subject: |
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Engine has arrived at my old mans now apparently.
If its got a clutch with a little bit of life left on it I might just whack it straight in on that rather than have to wait around for TTV to do my flywheel, as at least then I can get it in on the mounts and make the loom up and get it up and running on low boost and start the mapping, then its just a case of changing the clutch later on to allow me to crank the boost up.
Bit of extra work compared to waiting and putting it in on the new flywheel initially, but might be worth it in the long run.
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Engine I bought off ebay seems to be fairly complete other than a damaged fuel rail, lets hope it actually works!
And here is the finished manifold that Dewis Motorsport reflanged for me
Welds look fantastic 
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lennoxlewis
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| Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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fingers crossed
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| Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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| chip have you got your flywheel yet?, we posted it before easter so you should have had it tuesday or weds! |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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Hello mate, sorry for late reply, yes its there.
Fuck me its light!
how much does it actually weigh, doesnt even feel like a couple of kg!
Lovely looking bit of kit!
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| Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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the welds are looking good wot bhp are them engines standard 
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| Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:05 am Post subject: |
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Depending on the year and spec it varies from about 140 to 225 IIRC
Mine is allegedly 180.
So now I only need to add another 250-300, im sure that will be fine 
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| Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:43 am Post subject: |
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that should be enough to beat a 911 turbo
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| Quote: | | So now I only need to add another 250-300, im sure that will be fine |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:11 pm Post subject: |
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manifold looks awsome
when you expecting to get the engine in mate??
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