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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 11:31 am    Post subject: Installing under piston oil squirters Reply with quote

IMPORTANT NOTE!
If using the standard vauxhall timing disk, then dont put the first squirter in the first bearing you get to, use bearings 2-5 instead of 1-4, as otherwise you will be cooling your timing disk, this guide was based on aftermarket management with no internal trigger disk so it wasnt an issue in that instance.



How I installed under piston oil cooling into my LET block: Big Grin

First step i centre punched the bearing tunnel for each of the cylinders:




Then drilled a hole (just like regal and wallace do) for the jets to sit in, they are an interference fit and the size of the hole is critical so i got a friend who is an engineer to create me a drill bit exactly the correct size.




Then rather than go down the route of drilling the bearings like the companies doing this normally do (they choose that route just cause its easier i guess) we decided that we would provide the oil from behind the shell rather than draining it back off the crank journal, as this way if i ever need to replace the bearing shells i dont have to start drilling them i can just install new standard ones like you would on a cossie motor or anything else with "proper" oil cooling.

Couple of pictures of my mate slotting them oil way in with a die grinder, i must admit i bottled it at this point and let him do it, as he spends most of his spare time grinding cylinder heads etc and is far more competant with a grinder than i am!
Id normally have had a go myself anyway but i didnt in this instance simply cause the block is completely finished now and the thought of scrapping it at this stage when slipping with a die grinder filled me with a fear that could only be described using your nose lmao.

Obviously anyone else who is going to copy me on these jets i would advise that this is the first thing you do before spending money on line boring etc!





Then i filed all the edges to make sure there were no sharp bits that could be potential stress raisers




The finished article:



How it looks from the top of the block:


and again (sorry, bit dark this one for some reason!)



And then just a random shot of the block looking kind of pretty lmao





vauxhall part number is 90499496


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

im sure i saw the same guide in tv, did you do the guide for them?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
im sure i saw the same guide in tv, did you do the guide for them?


guilty as charged m'laud Nod

Although the pictrues are different as these pics in this thread are my block and the ones in TV with Robs (sbd16v with the white astra)
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stupid ass question time as i know nothing

but how do you control the oil pressure when youve drilled out the oil way between two holes and the bearing is in position - doesnt it force the bearing from underneath?

if that makes any sense at all Help
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

won't the pressure be the same above and below though?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 12:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gotta ask how you safely and confidently remove all the swarf from the block after Confused had to do some work on a ally bike engine and the thought of little pieces swimming round haunted me for weeks Sad
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 1:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Same as with any machining, you are thorough.

I take all the bungs out the oil way and wash it through with parafin, i get an air line on it and i use a pipe cleaner up and down every single hole.

Time consuming business
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 1:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dave wrote:
stupid ass question time as i know nothing

but how do you control the oil pressure when youve drilled out the oil way between two holes and the bearing is in position - doesnt it force the bearing from underneath?

if that makes any sense at all Help


Yes potentially there is a small amount of pressure on the back of the bearings which means at the end of the their life they may be more inclined to spin in theory, but only at the point where they are long past useful anyway.

Matt's done a couple of thousand miles of all sorts of driving on his done this, and its still fine for example.

The bearings are very well located in the XE/LET, its almost unheard of for them to spin the mains without there being some other major problem such as no oil pressure, in which case this mod wouldnt effect it, lol
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 1:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

never want an engine with spun shells again, proper destruction lol
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 9:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice guide!! Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aye i know stripped amates engine that had done it, only an 8v but even after a month of prepping the block i was still find bits. chucked the block in the end. got an ecotec block that needs attention to play with instead
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thats the article in TV isn't it, excellent guide there though mate Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

coolamasta wrote:
Thats the article in TV isn't it, excellent guide there though mate Thumbs Up


You aren't thinking he copied it are you? ROTFL
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice guide Thumbs Up
Not quite the way i'm gonna do mine though, or should i say the way i hoping to to do mine PMSL
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nice guide that chip,i gave the guy in the machine shop my TV mag so that he could copy it with my block Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BarryGTE wrote:
nice guide that chip,i gave the guy in the machine shop my TV mag so that he could copy it with my block Thumbs Up


Glad I could help, ive heard of a few people who did that with taking the mag in.

Makes writing for a mag seem worthwhile when its actually useful clap
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

it is worth while mate keep up the good work
ps could you write some stuff about nos,just the basics.
im doing a full rebuild for around 450bhp ish using evo5,a gt28rs and some nos but need info on the parts for that,i have steve for the restwhoese kept me right so far
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Out of interest, whats the block painted with question
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

proberbly hammerite mate,thats what mine is done with
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Milsundo wrote:
Out of interest, whats the block painted with question


i cannot rememebr what i painted my block with now lol was so long ago but as has been said hammerite is normal the choice and is find on the block
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